The Marvel Super Heroes Podcast Episode 006

Adventures of Ka-Zar the Great

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Face Front, True Believers! We’re setting the Time Platform back to the dawn of Timely Comics with the Golden Age Ka-Zar and the Masked Raider! Also, the biggest, fattest Marvel Mail Bag ever! Episode art tumblr here.

Note: We like our language NSFW salty, and there be spoilers…

  • 01:10 A look at the predecessors of the comic book, pulp fiction.
  • 02:45 The origin of David Rand, better known as the original Ka-Zar.
  • 07:35 Comments on The Marvel Super Heroes Podcast Episodes #1-2, Namor the First Marvel and Marvel Cosmics & Warlock
  • 14:28 The continuing adventures of Ka-Zar, spanning through Marvel Mystery Comics #15 and notes on his final appearances.
  • 20:23 Comments on The Marvel Super Heroes Podcast Episode 003, SDCC 2014 FYI.
  • 43:10 The Masked Raider’s entire Golden Age career gets our jaundiced gaze.
  • 51:15 Oh, we’re still not done with the mail, but at least Mr. Fixit retroactively contributes to the SDCC episode.

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11 thoughts on “The Marvel Super Heroes Podcast Episode 006

  1. Boy, I really thought you skipped most of my comments on the Namor show, but clearly I’m mistaken. The whole audio flashback with the harp transition couldn’t possibly be faked, so I guess I jumped to the wrong conclusions. My bad, fellas.

    In response to your final note about feedback, I understand that it takes a long time to compile all the comments, read them on the air and respond to each one individually. If you’re responding to more listeners in the comments section on the blog pages, I think you’re totally justified in cherry-picking what comments to address on the podcast itself. A lot of my comments about the SDCC episode were nearly the same as comments made by Anj and Liss. You could probably address all of our talking points in one lump to save time.

    Having said all that, I still gots plenty to talk about on this latest episode.

    1. Bring on the Red Wolf Podcast!

    2. Man, I hadn’t thought about PULP FICTION in years until the music cues in this episode. It’s kind of amazing how average the film seems today given the tour de force hype it generated when it came out in 1994. Nothing wrong with the film, but the as profound as the script and style were at the time, damn near every movie since then has built and improved upon the elements Quentin Tarantino created for that movie. It’s difficult not to watch it today without getting a “what’s the big deal” feeling; it’s not even that memorable by Tarantino film standards.

    3. Thanks, Frank, for recapping those early Ka-Zar and Masked Raider adventures. It’s always nice to get perspective on those pre-Marvel Marvel characters, and if someone had to trudge through the stories–racism and all–better you than me.

    4. I watch ARROW and I generally enjoy it but it’s a hard show to recommend to people. The show was definitely not created with comic fans in mind–not even Green Arrow fans. It’s not high art; it’s not BREAKING BAD or THE WEST WING. It’s a show on CW which means it’s a soap opera targeted toward teens and early twenty-somethings who think the world revolves around unrequited love and parents are secretly evil and treacherous. If you understand that going in and modify your expectations, though, it can be inoffensive and fun.

    The first couple episodes are pretty shaky while it tries to find its identity. The show definitely turns a page around episode 4 or 5 when Ollie shares his secret with his bodyguard, Diggle, who becomes his partner/handler. The direction really crystalizes around the middle of season one when Felicity Smoak comes aboard “Team Arrow” as the defacto Oracle. The second half of season one has more character interplay, more compelling drama. However, you could conceivably skip the whole first season and get more fanboy value out of the second season, which will probably be coming to video and Netflix soon.

    5. On to Marvel’s bow-and-arrow guy, I sincerely hope you guys dedicate an episode to Hawkeye in the future. I agree with Mac’s feeling that Hawkeye is a terrific character in the comics and one of the worst in the movies. I’ve got a lot of feelings about that and I’d love to hear your analysis.

    As for the HAWKEYE series by Matt Fraction, David Aja and others, I have mixed feelings about the series. On the one hand, it has consistently great storytelling and art. On the other, it’s not about Hawkeye the Avenger. It’s about Clint Barton doing his best impersonation of Sterling Archer from the FX animated series.

    6. I loooove the stinger you included in this episode. I always thought Tarantino should have done a period Luke Cage and Iron Fist movie. Maybe he can come aboard to direct an episode or two of the Netflix series. Hell, he directed an episode of ER after Pulp Fiction!

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  2. If you liked what we did with the completely undoctored flashback sequence, wait until you get a load of this picture I took of John Kerry at one of Jane Fonda’s anti-war rallies back in ’72!

    The main issue with the on-air comments is that reading them in full took up too much space and time in the editing process. I’d lock in the core content contentedly, only to find I had to go back and do essentially a whole other episode as an append. Mac really wants the show in the 20-30 minute range, and while I’m more flexible, I have to admit that I’m a lot happier doing a fine-tuned half hour than trying to wrangle an hour-plus sprawl every week. I like the podcast to be as tight as possible, and was getting increasingly frustrated with the expanding running time, as well as the inherent awkwardness of the readings. Also, as you noted, there was an increasing “echo” effect of revisiting the same points by commenting on comments on the original commentary. In this instance, I liked that it gave Fixit a chance to be retroactively included in discussions like SDCC, but it was also feeling like a first run rerun/clip show when we’re only seven deep into this thing.

    1. This was the second on-air reference to Red Wolf, but the first recorded, so shuffling the comments was even screwing with the continuity of the program! You may or may not have your tongue planted in your cheek, but I have a complete run of the 1970s Red Wolf series that I’ll inevitably inflict on the listening public. However, between Namor, Drax, and Ka-Zar, I think I need to dial down the appearances by half-naked beefcake around here before folks start confusing us with the Comic Book Bears Podcast.

    2. I’m trying to “clean house” and get all the upcoming podcast business squared before I go on my “hiatus*,” so the Pulp Fiction musical cues came out of my lack of energy and imagination. It is seriously about the lowest hanging possible fruit, since the film has been the main competition for George A. Romero’s Dawn of the Dead as my favorite movie of all time since my distance from teen angst caused Heathers‘ esteem to dim somewhat. It’s also one of my favorite soundtracks ever. It never ceases to amaze me how in the two decades since it came out, with hosts of imitators and influenced parties, Pulp Fiction is still fresher, smarter and more fun than pretty much anything ever committed to celluloid. I can’t tell you how much it bothered me that nothing Quentin Tarantino did afterward seemed to hold a candle to Pulp Fiction. After the tedious Inglourious Basterds I began to wonder if I would ever enjoy his work again, until Django Unchained brought redemption. I’m a little embarrassed to be such a cliche as to worship at the alter of Pulp Fiction, but I’m unapologetic about the joy it still brings me.

    3. I am committed to playing “professor” and including edutainment segments in the show, but am always fearful that stuff is too dry and boring for most tastes. I don’t want to force Mac & Fixit to read a lot of moldy junk, but remain self-conscious about solo segments. In this case, I needed something to break up all the letter segments and to validate my slogging through the issues Marvel Mystery Comics available on Unlimited, but I assure you that “slog” is absolutely the correct term for most of that material. There are worse characters to quote than Animal Mother when it comes to this endeavor.

    4. Thanks for the info on Arrow. With Smallville, the only full episodes I saw were when I was at my father’s house and he was watching his previous night recordings. For the rest, I mostly just sought out key scenes involving Phil Morris as John Jones online. Debating whether to do the same thing with Brandon Routh’s Ray Palmer, or whether to suck it up and go the full Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D..

    5. The last issue of the 1983 Hawkeye mini-series was an early comic purchase for me, so I have a nostalgic soft spot there. I don’t own any issues today though, so unless Mac has them, we’ll have to stick with whatever is on Marvel Unlimited. Definitely no Hawkeye until I can leverage a #FranksAgenda episode or two, though.

    Sterling Archer? Oh, no. This may not go over well.

    6. Again, me being lazy and needing to wrap the audio theme without bothering to dig through our own material. I honestly would not want Tarantino to handle anyone else’s characters. He has his own specific voice, and it coming out of Luke Cage’s mouth would likely grate on me as much as Brian Bendis’.

    * Despite popular assumption, “hiatus” is not a euphemism for “plea-bargained sentence.”

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  3. I guess Pulp Fiction held up a lot better for Frank and Mac than it did for me. Never be embarrassed about preferring the cliched popular choice, though. My favorite movie is Casablanca, and my favorite fictional character is still Batman. I hate that liking Batman actually hurts my comic geek street cred these days, but whatever. I loved Heathers, too. Might need to re-watch that sometime.

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  4. 7. There is some speculation that ANT-MAN will include flashback scenes because they John Slattery is coming back as Howard Stark (reprising his brief appearance in IRON MAN 2). Judy Greer has been announced as a cast member in an undisclosed role. I can definitely see her playing Janet Van Dyne in a flashback scenario. Doubt she’ll appear as Wasp, but I still think Evangeline Lilly’s Hope Van Dyne will get the Wasp power.

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  5. 1. Good job, guys, tackling the the pre-history of Marvel via the pulps. Pulps are something I wish I could investigate more but are just too outdated, except maybe The Shadow. What I take away from pulp stories is the impact of serialization on how readers consume stories—I’ve been waiting for modern-day fiction to adopt the serialization model, but it hasn’t happened yet.

    2. How I knew about Ron Lim: Green Lantern: nope! Hawkman: nope! I’m familiar with him through Rann-Thanagar Holy War, which he did with Jim Starlin. It was a DC cosmic series with Adam Strange, Captain Comet, Hawkman, Lady Styx, Bizarro, et. al. The series revolves around the Church of Eternal Light—kind of similar to the Universal Church of Truth…

    3. Yep, I read exclusively DC up until a few months ago. (Only Marvel I had read prior was some Essential Silver Surfer and Silver Surfer Requiem.) Currently reading a lot of Cap, from Silver Age onward, and hoping to branch out into Avengers and Marvel Cosmic, and maybe some modern crossovers like Civil War and Secret Invasion. I’m hoping you guys can shed some light on Avengers series in the future, because, wow, there is a lot to sort through.

    4. The original Captain Marvel had a couple of great cameos in the Avengers: Earth’s Mightiest Heroes cartoon, so just based on that, I think I’d like it. I like the premise behind his character: lots of high drama, which I’m finding is a very Marvel-esque quality.

    5. I know very little about Hawkeye, but he strikes me as an “everyman” type of character, and he’s growing on me. I hope he’ll show up on the podcast in the future. The only problem I had with him in the Avengers movie was that power-wise he seemed a bit out of his league compared to everyone else. It also seemed like the writers didn’t know what to do with him, hence the limited screen time. I hope they sort that all out in time for the next Avengers movie so they can do a bit more with his character.

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  6. 1. I can sometimes get lost in a good pulpy descriptive passage, but the boilerplate plots tend to lose my interest quick.

    2. I think I read the first issue of that. Starlin didn’t have much luck finishing any of his cosmic efforts at DC.

    3. I’m not sure about when or where we’ll approach Avengers stories. We’re still in “Phase One” of podcasting, working through solo spotlights to mixed results. I recall giving you some Essentials recommendations in the past, which I think included Howard the Duck. I recant on the Howard the Duck part. Stay away from Howard T. Duck. But you can always bet on early Doctor Strange. So good!

    4. If we ever finish Annihilation (three episodes recorded, at least three more to go) I’d like to start over at the beginning with Captain Marvel or Adam Warlock.

    5. Even after all these years knowing Mac, I never realized how fond he was of Hawkeye. He’ll be prioritized. We’ve got an Iron Man origins episode recorded, and maybe we can jump ahead to the debuts of Clint and Black Widow when we revisit the Armored Avenger? My understanding is that Hawkeye will get a lot more face time in Age of Ultron, to the point where he and Hulk “star.”

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  7. I’ll keep it short to save you the time of reading them, aloud or not. I’m late on eps, but still love the show. Riffing on comments isn’t a bad thing and sounds an awful lot like content to me. You’re just holding a discussion with the entire fan base is all. I listened to part of it, then put it down, picked it up a couple of days later, and it wasn’t until you read another response that I remembered you were doing fan mail. It just worked for me as actual content.

    Also: Alexander Siddig for Dr. Strange!

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  8. Game of Thrones actors seem to lend well to Doctor Strange fan casting, and I liked Alexander Siddig on DS9, so he’s an option.

    I’m glad you liked the episode well enough. The responses/non-response was telling, but I think the main issue was a need to better massage the material and avoiding repetition.

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  9. We really like reading comments. We just have trouble keeping our answers concise….and then we go down rabbit holes…and the snowball gets bigger and bigger until we’ve spent 20min talking about one comment, and Frank has to edit that down to manageable size.

    We don’t want this to turn into a 2-3 hour Joe Roganesque style show. Ideally 30-40 minute episodes are what we shoot for. Once we get through some books we REALLY want to cover, I imagine we’ll get back to more comments as they are easy, interesting content.

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