The Marvel Super Heroes Podcast

The Marvel Super Heroes Podcast Episode 081

Marvel Studios Black Panther (2018)


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Face Front, True Believer! Diabolu Frank, Illegal Machine & Mister Fixit (with a mid-closing credits cameo by special guest blu girl) finally return to Wakanda, this time as realized within the Marvel Cinematic Universe! Watch T’Challa break all the box office records in one of the most successful movies of all time in its first weekend! Excelsior!

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6 thoughts on “The Marvel Super Heroes Podcast Episode 081”

  1. I was walking my dog listening to this episode. I nearly had to sit down when Mac did the Dragonball Z “whiiiiiiteguiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiilt!”

    Also agree with Mac that Jurassic World was fucking awful, and there’s no way I’ll watch the sequel.

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  2. But that’s about the extent of my agreement with Mac on this episode. I started thinking he was pretending to not understand Erik Killmonger’s motivation throughout the movie just to make your discussion run longer.

    Wait, Frank, you wanted them to save the White Wolf Easter Egg to be more faithful to the stupid way it’s used in the comics?

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  3. Erik Stevens (N’Jadaka) aka “Killmonger” grew up in southern California in the early ’90s. He grew up in the shadow of Rodney King and race riots. He’s seen poverty and police brutality and Hurricane Katrina and police murdering unarmed black men, women, and children by the scores. In 2015, more than a hundred unarmed black men, women, or children were killed by police. Basically two per week.

    Erik witnesses all of this death and suffering from his brothers and he fucking hates it, because he knows something that no one else in America knows: that there is a nation in Africa with the wealth, resources, and technology to make all of this end yesterday. But Wakanda takes a non-interventionist stance, and they’ve got their heads so far up their collective asses that they murdered Erik’s father and abandoned him in America to preserve the secrecy of their power. Remember, he’s of royal blood. If he grew up in Wakanda he’d be the third most powerful man in the world, but he’s left in America where he’ll never be more than a second-class citizen to some people.

    So Erik is radicalized by the actions of T’Chaka and Zuri. And he dedicates his whole life to overthrowing their traditions. Not as much because they killed his old man, but because they left him. They turned their back on Erik, which he views as turning their back on the rest of the black world. Even T’Challa picks up on this when he sees his father in the Djalia (spirit world) the second time. Erik doesn’t weep for his father because his mission of revolution isn’t fueled by love for N’Jobu; it’s fueled by thirty years of hatred.

    When Erik fights T’Challa and Warrior Falls, he says he’s been training his whole life for this. Every person he’s killed brought him closer to this moment–but it’s not about killing T’Challa; he doesn’t know T’Challa, only what T’Challa represents and that’s the Old Ways, the legacy of his father and his ancestors. Erik doesn’t want to kill the man. He wants to kill the tradition. The old non-interventionist Wakanda is dead. Bring on the new order of overthrowing any group that would oppress the black man.

    (The one time when emotion creeps into Erik’s plan is when Zuri tries to stop him from killing T’Challa. That’s when Erik’s rage gets the better of him and he thinks, “Oh, I can avenge my father AND accomplish my mission?” SHANK!)

    As for why Erik puts on his own version of the Black Panther costume at the end… ehh… I could try to come up with an excuse about re-appropriating the iconography of the thing he hates to make it his own, but… nah. That whole Black-and-Purple Panther vs. Black-and-Gold Panther battle royale smacked of studio mandate. Hell, I loved this movie, but even before I left the theater I found myself thinking the action scenes were among the worst in any Marvel Studios movie. And I liked the fight choreography in Coogler’s last film, CREED, so I was especially looking forward to what he did with a bigger scope and budget. Maybe that’s why I think the best fights were the two challenge matches at Warrior Falls–and even they weren’t spectacular, but I found them more interesting than the chase in Bussan and the Civil Fracas at the Great Mound.

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  4. BRUH.

    He wanted to arm blacks across the world to empower and liberate them…which was his father’s vision….the same father he showed no real emotion for. You see why it’s a little confusing.

    And that’s quite a noble vision for someone who shot his girlfriend and choke slammed old women gardening in Wakanda. Which would lead me to believe he’s a maniacal psycho.

    Fixit was spot on. It was supposed to be Malcom X vs Martin Luther King Jr….I just think they missed the mark. Maybe they felt he was too sympathetic and tired to haze up his motivation? No idea. Either way, I see a LOT of people who think Killmonger was right and justified in his actions. Which i think sucks, and makes T’Challa look shitty.

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  5. I always forget about him shooting his girl, because she’s such a non-thing in the movie. Did she even have dialogue? If we’d never seen them kiss in the back of the ambulance I don’t think it would’ve been a big deal, but again, I’ve seen the movie twice and I keep forgetting the character even exists.

    As for choking and threatening the old woman in the garden? Well, yeah, she’s part of the Old Ways system he wants to figuratively–and literally–burn down. And I think he is a maniac, because his agenda is mass slaughter on a global scale.

    People might think Erik is justified and right because, well, a lot of people are dumb, and they confuse empathy with sympathy. They think if they can understand a person’s motives then his/her actions must be righteous, which is bullshit.

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  6. When you say Singapore, you mean South Korea, right? That was definitely Seoul.

    Anyway, as someone who hasn’t read a lot of Black Panther comics, no character paled by comparison, or seemed like it was wasting potential. Not that that bothers me usually. LOVED what they did with M’Baku.

    As for Klaw, why does everyone think he’s dead-dead?! It was clear to me from the moment they cast Sirkis that he was eventually going to be a mo-capped creature of solid sound. Watch for his return in Black Panther 2.

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